Kimmychu ([info]csiny_sl) wrote,
@ 2008-04-18 19:23:00
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A sorta review for CSI:NY 4x17 + Speculations for 4x18
Kristine Huntley's review does the episode more justice than any review I could write, so if ya wanna know the down low on everything that happens in it, go here to read her review! :)

However, I have some things to say about it too, in particular certain scenes I'm sure many of you are curious about. ;P


Here's a slightly longer version of my review from the TalkCSI grading thread for the episode.



Yay! Flack at the beach! Don't lie, you imagined what he'd look like in swimming trunks, didn't ya?


- Flack is snarky-awesome and his gorgeous self, as usual. Now I get the 'Abercombie twins' thing. Seriously, how the hell did the girl NOT see the shark and corpse from a mile away?! And Flack eating that chocolate after interrogating the perp = priceless. Flack, you are such a food freak! I wish the scene had shown Flack actually taking the chocolate off the tray because I was confused for a moment how he went from just standing there with Stella to walking away already eating a piece of chocolate.



Stella: Does it blow your mind?


- HAWKES. Oh my God, TPTB finally remembers the black dude of the show! So nice to see much Hawkes in this episode, even if it was him arms deep in the guts of a tiger shark. *lol* Watching him in the autopsy room reminded me of his season one days when he was still just an ME.



- Quinn ... Okay, she surprised me. I was expecting her to be the typical dislikable inspector come to pass judgement on the labs but, she played her role well. She has this mature beauty about her too, similar to Stella. I'm glad TPTB didn't cast another supermodel or something. *rolls eyes* Introducing her as somebody who has a crush on Mac was ... hmm, I didn't really care for it. It didn't make me think less of her though. To me, their conversation in Mac's office showed they're both simply human. I'm very glad the spoilers for Mac changed a lot in the final episode! Hurrah to the writers for showing Mac can make mistakes but still show he loved his wife and acknowledged his mistake.



- What the hell is with Reed suddenly becoming such a whiny brat?! That wasn't the Reed I remember from past episodes.

EDIT: For [info]johanirae: Reed now owns a news blog. In the screencap, he's 'making a deal' with Mac to be the first to have inside info on the murder, so to speak. Later, Reed goes to see Mac and is pissed that the newspapers already got the inside scoop when he's promised his blog readers he would be the first to report the juicy stuff. :P And yeah, he was real whiny in it.


- Okay, now on to whatever's going on between Danny and Lindsay:

The speculations for this week's episode was that Lindsay was going to do her ignore-Danny thing like she did in episode 4x16 and then walk away from Danny when he tried to approach her to talk about things.

Well. The final episode went far beyond my expectations again.

On first viewing of the scene with Danny and Lindsay where they're in the labs and talking about the movie Jaws, I actually went, "What the fuck?" because after Lindsay's Monologue of Doom in the previous episode I expected at least some amount of tension between them. So it was really odd to see them acting as if nothing ever happened.

At least, that's what it looked like at first.

Danny and Lindsay are talking about Jaws because one of the cases involves a dead tiger shark. They seem fine with each other and then, Danny says, "We should rent it," referring to renting the movie to watch. He's looking at her with this ambiguous, wide-eyed expression, almost blank, to be honest. It was the first time in a long while I was unable to tell what he was trying to convey.

And then Lindsay shows her true colors.

Her face falls. She stops doing whatever evidence processing she was doing, then, without looking Danny, she says, "This is hard," and walks off without even bothering to store her evidence or anything.

The interesting point of this scene, however, is Danny's utter lack of reaction. If he was supposedly Lindsay's 'exclusive, long-term boyfriend', he would have at the very least looked at her or gone after her to talk to her or something before she was out of the scene. But no ... he just sat where he was and sighed and bit his lower lip. He was seriously giving off, "Geez, why do I get myself into these situations? I thought she'd be over it by now," vibes. I don't think it was the first time Lindsay's reacted towards him like that.



Oh, Danny. You and your issues. *lol*


And the way he looked hard at her when he casually mentioned renting Jaws? I think it was him testing the waters, to see whether she really is getting over her feelings for him or not. I guess he's not pleased she hasn't. *lol*

At this point, I will be very shocked if it's revealed next week they were boyfriend-girlfriend. In this Jaws scene, it definitely looked to me like both of them are trying their best to just be friends, which is a pleasantly surprising route for the writers to take. I doubt Danny's actually spoken to Lindsay about their situation though. If Lindsay knew about Rikki, I think she would be a lot more upset.

There's the possibility Danny may not see any reason to tell Lindsay about Rikki since Lindsay herself already told him she wants to get over her feelings for him. It is also possible Danny's waiting to tell Lindsay about Rikki when he's sure Lindsay can handle the news. So if the spoilers are true ... we may be seeing that very soon.



- And then there's the scene with Mac and Lindsay. Okay, I get why people thought she was a little annoying in there. *lol* Even Mac was giving her a, "Oh great, is she going to do one of her demonstrations again?" look.



I think that can qualify as Mac's official WTF face.


Her reaction to Mac calling her out on abandoning her evidence made me go WTF big time. Her, "What?" made her look ... stupid. No offense, but it really did. It was like she didn't even remember how irresponsible she was until Mac reminded her and then, instead of apologizing, she immediately lobs the blame/responsibility onto Danny by saying that Danny would have cleaned up after her. That was very unprofessional. It also implied to me that she assumes Danny will clean up whatever mess she leaves behind as if it's his obligation to do it. Again, very unprofessional and presumptuous of Lindsay about Danny.

But! I am glad she actually *gasp* acknowledged it was a lame excuse after saying it. Maybe there's hope for you, after all, Lindsay. Heh, I don't think she ever knew Danny at all, or vice versa. I agree with the CSI Files review that it was gratifying to finally see Lindsay being called out on a wrongdoing, even though she still got off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

And if Danny's lack of reaction and nonchalance towards Lindsay wasn't enough that any D/L relationship is over before it even began ...

Lindsay: I should have never gotten involved with someone I work with. It was stupid. Really stupid.

Yes.

She actually said that, word for word, to Mac.

Lindsay saying that is practically the last nail in the coffin for D/L. Should TPTB hook them up any time soon, both Danny and Lindsay will look really moronic, especially Lindsay. After what she said to Mac? I'll have ZERO respect for her character if she jumps into the sack with Danny again, or anyone else on the team working with her.

I really hope this means TPTB is FINALLY going to stop using Danny as a prop for Lindsay and make Lindsay an independent character who will stand on her own. Three seasons is a very long time to do that, and it may very well be too late to undo the damage caused to her character but ... better late than never, I suppose.





Okay, things get mighty spoilerish for the next episode from here onwards!





So what are my speculations for next week's episode?

I got nada. *lol* Danny and Lindsay already trying to be just friends and Lindsay pretty much making a vow to never get involved with a co-worker again was very, very unexpected.

I can't quite figure out how Lindsay finding out about Rikki will cause tension between her and Danny if they're not in a relationship, other than her being jealous of Rikki and Danny already having another woman in his life when she's still trying to get over her feelings for him. That one seems the most logical and likely to me.

What interests me is how she's going to find out. Is Danny going to tell her? What would prompt him to tell her if he hasn't done so so far? Will Lindsay approach him next week to tell him she can't get over her feelings for him and ask him to consider a serious relationship even though he doesn't feel the same anyway? I can't see that happening, knowing what she's said to Mac about 'being stupid for getting involved with someone she works with'. She'll just make herself look like an idiot with no willpower whatsoever.

Perhaps Lindsay will overhear Danny talking to Rikki on the phone early in the episode and realize Danny's become very close to Rikki.

Or perhaps Lindsay will keep trying to just be friends with Danny and ask him out for lunch or dinner again, and then Danny tells her he already has plans with Rikki.

I dunno. I just love that anything goes right now. :D

What are your speculations for next week?




P.S. Since next week's episode is a repeat, there'll be a couple of Danny/Flack one-shots popping up soon!



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[info]johanirae
2008-04-18 11:30 am UTC (link)
Bugger, man, what did Reed do? (Spoil me rotten, please!)

The Danny/Linds ship is sinking like woah now! This is why one should never be happy a ship becomes canon in this verse.

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-04-18 11:49 am UTC (link)
Hehehehe, I has edited the post to add the info.

And yeah. At this point, I really think D/L is over before it's even started. I am hopeful this means Lindsay will finally be an independent character who doesn't need propping anymore.

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Thankees for le info, but *sigh* no promo pics
[info]johanirae
2008-04-18 01:09 pm UTC (link)
Man Reed, it's called learning about how sneaky reporters are in real life dude. O_O

Edited at 2008-04-18 01:09 pm UTC

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[info]matalinolukaret
2008-04-18 02:37 pm UTC (link)
Awwww... damn I have to wait until I get off work to watch the episode. :( But it sounds super awesome and yay. :D

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-04-19 04:22 pm UTC (link)
Heheheh, have ya watched it by now? :D

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[info]talulababy
2008-04-18 04:39 pm UTC (link)
Geez, why do I get myself into these situations?

My thought exactly!

Sometimes, I think CSI:NY writers are trying every which ways for us to dislike her. I mean she kept doing one stupid thing after another. Confessing your (bad) relationship with a co-worker to your boss is a no-no, hun. Consider the situation there I think we can finally salt and burn the D/L ship. *hehe*

btw, may I add that Danny looked really fine in that cap. And OMG! Mac's face is totally WTF face. XD

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-04-19 04:26 pm UTC (link)
*lol* Who knows, maybe after finding out there are viewers who see her self-centeredness as a consistency, they're making use of it to the max.

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Confessing your (bad) relationship with a co-worker to your boss is a no-no, hun.


Seriously. And the amusing thing is, even now, the jury is still out on whether Danny and Lindsay even had a relationship to begin with. 'Getting involved' is a rather generic phrase to describe things. It could mean anything from 'just having feelings' to 'just having sex' to 'just seeing each other for meals and movies'.

I kinda like that the writers are keeping it somewhat ambiguous. Hard to pin the 'bad guy' label, see?

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[info]miss_blue1
2008-04-18 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Kristine's reviews are the best! :D I have read them all, and there were 2 maybe three exceptions where I didn't agree.

"Lindsay: I should have never gotten involved with someone I work with. It was stupid. Really stupid."

She said that? Wow! Haven't seen the episode yet, actually I am watching Right Next Door in full version for the first time and I'm pretty excited to see it. I can't wait for some Stella action :D

If Lindsay is separated from Danny from now on, I will give her another chance, if she can shine for 10 seconds in one episode, I will say, "Yes, previous Lindsay who was obsessed with Danny died, welcome new Lindsay".

Or maybe that "this is hard" comment is foreshadowing for the next season which will open with her letter of resignation on Mac's desk, or the finale with end with it, just like S1's Hawkes applying for the field. (One can only hope, right? )

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[info]faylinn_drake
2008-04-18 09:53 pm UTC (link)
Having Lindsay resign or go back to Montana or something is too much to hope for.

That being said, OMG I WOULD SQUEE.

Unless they'd have her quit the lab so she could stay in NY to be with Danny. Then I'd just snort and wonder if the writers have any respect for the character.

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-04-19 04:45 pm UTC (link)
*rofl* I can't see the latter option happening at all. She quit the lab, she has zero reason to even be on the show. If it comes to that, hell, TPTB might as well make Quinn the new regular.

And then, knowing TPTB, we will see a whole season of Danny chasing after Quinn 'cause he has the hots for older women while Mac is trying to run away from Quinn who still has the hots for him. Hahahahh!

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[info]faylinn_drake
2008-04-19 06:11 pm UTC (link)
That might actually be mildly amusing--at least all three of them can act. Lindsay and Anna just rub me wrong.

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-04-19 04:30 pm UTC (link)
Yep, Lindsay said that, word for word. It surprised me too, considering the spoilers (rather conflicting ones, at that) for future episodes. I do think it's safe to say the chances of D/L happening any time soon is nil, unless TPTB intends to make Lindsay look like a complete imbecile and, as Fay said below, have no respect whatsoever for her character.

And really, lapdog!Danny was so season three and old news. If TPTB goes that route again, I won't blame Mr. Giovinazzo one bit for quitting and working on movies and music instead. Him stating Danny being a prop for Lindsay should have been one hell of a red flag even then that D/L was not working at all.

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If Lindsay is separated from Danny from now on, I will give her another chance, if she can shine for 10 seconds in one episode, I will say, "Yes, previous Lindsay who was obsessed with Danny died, welcome new Lindsay".


Let us hope TPTB will do both their characters justice and clean the slate, so to speak.

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Or maybe that "this is hard" comment is foreshadowing for the next season which will open with her letter of resignation on Mac's desk


*lol* Duuuuude, you have heard about actors leaving CSI and CSI:Miami, right? Gotta wonder if there are any actors leaving CSI:NY too ...

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[info]miss_blue1
2008-04-19 05:22 pm UTC (link)
Yeah I did, don't really care though. I admit, it's crazy, weird an many more. Maybe the actors didn't agree with the path that the shows were going on so, they left (Is it true that Vanessa Ferlito left because she didn;t want to be associated with a TV show?). I don't watch Miami or CSI, I only watch NY, Criminal Minds and Supernatural.:D It's crazy around there.

I am afraid that they will reduce Danny to chasing Lindsay again and feeling guilty, because if that happens...man CDG will run the hell out! Yes, Carmine's comment about being a prop couldn't be more on the annoyed side. (I have seen the episode, thanks to a very kind person on YouTube who posted everything and not just the D/L shit)

I hated Danny this week. I wanted to grab a bat and hit him in the head until S1 Danny comes back to life. I think that was by far the worse performance Carmine has ever had. The Learning Curve deserved on Oscar compared to that. The "banter" in the lab left me with a straight face for hours. I think Anna emoted better than Carmine there.*the horror* I think maybe he started to get annoyed of Danny being Lindsay's dog.

Maybe Anna will surprise us *batting eyelashes*

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-04-20 08:17 am UTC (link)
Heheh, I've read somewhere that all the actors for CSI:NY have renewed their contract for a few more years. I dunno if it's accurate or not.

The Vanessa Ferlito thing ... yeah, it was something like that. The irony is, she went on to appear on another cop TV show. *lol* Weird, huh?

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I am afraid that they will reduce Danny to chasing Lindsay again and feeling guilty, because if that happens...man CDG will run the hell out!


Heh, that happens, and CSI:NY will become CSI:Recycled Tripe. Been there, done that, didn't work jack the first time, won't work the second time. I've yet to watch The Learning Curve and I've been advised to never, EVER do so 'cause that's how bad it is. *LOL*

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[info]laminy
2008-04-18 08:08 pm UTC (link)
Gah, I have no idea what's going to happen next episode. I think that the D/L battleship may finally be sunk, 'cause this episode was certainly not happening that ship's cause. I cannot believe that Lindsay said that to Mac. I was just like, man, if I were Mac, I'd probably just smack her for her stupidity. Get her off my television, people!

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-04-19 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Nope, it certainly didn't. Lindsay's statement to Mac about it being really stupid to get involved with someone she works with tells me she regrets whatever happened with Danny and doesn't intend to get involved with any other co-worker either, any time soon.

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if I were Mac, I'd probably just smack her for her stupidity.


*lol* I wanted him to make a, "Are you kidding me?!" face when she went, "What?" after he called her out on her abandoning evidence. That moment was laughable.

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[info]faylinn_drake
2008-04-18 09:51 pm UTC (link)
I kind of want to freak people out on TalkCSI by suggesting that they were teasing Quinn in to test how people would respond to her replacing Lindsay. Talented CSI, female, gets along with everyone...*makes hand gesture to say 'and so forth'* I wouldn't be surprised, but then I guess I'm hoping for too much. ;)

Seeing Mac and Quinn deal with her 'crush' on him would be far more bearable than watching Lindsay continue to sulk about Danny. Not that I'd want to see Quinn pining after Mac, but if I had to choose, I know which one bugs me less. :P

But yeah, if Lindsay and Danny hook up again, or if she hooks up with anybody else at the lab, it's going to look bad for her. I already don't like her, but I expect her fans would complain about them making her look like an indecisive imbecile.

Or they'd just be like 'YAYZ DL FOREVAR!', but then I take nothing of what those particular people say seriously because c'mon.

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-04-19 04:39 pm UTC (link)
*LOL* Dude, at this point, who knows, maybe it is possible. I did notice Quinn and Stella got along in this episode, and she and Mac ... heh, we know they have history and they know where they stand with each other. Who knows!

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But yeah, if Lindsay and Danny hook up again, or if she hooks up with anybody else at the lab, it's going to look bad for her. I already don't like her, but I expect her fans would complain about them making her look like an indecisive imbecile.


Agreed, totally. It'd be like no one can ever trust what she says again, ya know? And she really, really does not need to be made more idiotic than she already is. What she needs is to be her own character and straighten herself out without any propping!

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Or they'd just be like 'YAYZ DL FOREVAR!', but then I take nothing of what those particular people say seriously because c'mon.


The italics for c'mon made me laugh big time.

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[info]faylinn_drake
2008-04-19 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Bringing Quinn in and making Lindsay a lab rat would be fine with me--as long as she didn't horn in on Adam's scenes (because I swear to God, he's always fun and cute and she's always aggravating).

If they're having Danny sleep with Rikki and Lindsay saying (to MAC no less) that it was stupid to get "involved" with a co-worker--they'd better not be planning this as the ZOMG SUPER SPECIAL lead-up to DL. That won't make anybody look good.

I never watched that video with Kristin from E! (I hate that her name is so close to Kristine's [/random]), but Rhonda said the first part of what she said was 'A writer tells me yes'--the question was 'are danny and lindsay over' or something like that. So is she saying a writer told her that yes, they're over? Or a writer told her that yes, there's turmoil but they won't be disappointed? Who knows, but she's a dumbass anyway. Ever since she said Danny and Lindsay have 'crazy chemistry', I've come to the conclusion on my own that I don't really value her spin on things much (and other people have confirmed my suspicions).

Anyway...

What needs to happen for Lindsay is that they need to write the character to play to Anna's strengths as an actor and develop the character on her own. Option number 2 is to pull the lever and have the trap door open under her so she does that fun disappearing-into-the-void-while-screaming thing. :D

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