Kimmychu ([info]csiny_sl) wrote,
@ 2008-05-09 18:27:00
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Some thoughts post episode 4x19
Do you know what amuses me?

Extreme selective viewing and reading. It's like lying on a steel table having your limbs hacked off one by one while you squeeze your eyes shut and tell yourself you're in Happy Land. Utterly baffling and idiotic.

I tell ya, I've never seen denial running at such ridiculous depths and length of time in my life and yet, there it is, flaunted by fangirls of all ages (the higher the age goes, the more frightening it is, apparently). I pity the writers of CSI:NY a lot these days. It seems they've become so cowardly in writing the hilarious fiasco that is Danny/Lindsay that it's stuck in a permanent rut where Danny seesaws between a Danny who acts like the old Danny before his character assassination and a Danny who's nothing more than a lowly dog who's always the wrong one and needs to grovel and be a total wimpbag.

And this, just for the sake of appeasing a bunch of fangirls who've flamed TPTB simply because they didn't like their obsessive fantasy of Danny being fucked with. Come ON. It's laughable to even deny it has always been about Danny. Lindsay? Who's she? Just a proxy who needs Danny to be her prop even after three whole seasons and still can't stand out as an individual. And ya wanna ask why I think she's useless? Heh.

As for that phone call ... I'll just reiterate what I said in the grading thread for the episode:

I freakin' LOL'ed my head off when I watched that scene. Danny's voice and expression was hilarious! It was as if Carmine figured sounding like a drunk werewolf who had a bloody rotten meal would help reduce the utter lameness of what Danny had to say to Lindsay. What was even more hilarious was his expression when he said what he did. He looked like he just ate something thoroughly disgusting and was doing his damnest to not spit it out. Bwahahahaah!

Well, Carmine, if it had been your intention to distract people with laughter to reduce the lameness and awfulness of that scene, I for one appreciated it!

I have so got to screencap his expression and body stance when he was on the phone with Lindsay. He was all slouchy and, "I don't give a goddamn fuck 'bout anythin' anymore." It was so at odds with the dialogue I was half-wondering if he was just saying what he did because he'd given up on any kind of happiness and resigned himself to whatever he could get, lousy or not.



Now the Danny/Rikki scene, it just made the D/L one mediocre when it came to emotion and depth. I thought it was great that Danny acknowledged them having sex was not actually doing them any good, although I am still speculating if Danny only said it because he figured it would keep Rikki in his life and not drive her away.



Danny: You're moving?


But poor Danny ... Rikki had decided to move, and was technically leaving him without him having a chance at all to say anything about it. :( I don't blame her at all for moving; she had all the rights to do so and it was true that there were too many painful memories.



Rikki:You're a sweet man.


What stood to me here was how Danny's face just fell the instant he realized Rikki was really moving away. He looked teary-eyed to me, and his lips were downturned like he was close to crying. Even Rikki looked a little teary-eyed, especially at the beginning of the scene just before she tells him she's moving away. It was very sweet when she touched his cheek. It was then very sad to see Danny all alone again, sitting at his kitchen counter and staring at Ruben's memorial pamphlet as it rained outside.

Oh no, Danny's not going to forget Rikki and Ruben any time soon, if ever.



[info]faylinn_drake and I were chatting and it occurred to us that there may be a very good reason why Danny's behavior is so odd in the D/L scene. It is very possible TPTB chose to switch the scenes' places.

In the D/L scene, Danny's already sitting at the kitchen counter, looking all upset as if his entire world just fell apart. He calls Lindsay up and seriously, he's acting all drunk and I-don't-give-a-shit-about-anything and when he says he misses Lindsay, he even looks disgusted with himself. By the way, at the end of the conversation, Lindsay doesn't go to his apartment to talk to him even though he asked.

Then, in the D/R scene, Danny's back to normal! Not upset or drunk or anything! Then Rikki shows up at the door, and he only gets upset when Rikki tells him she's moving away. At the end of this scene, Danny takes Ruben's pamphlet from his coffee table in front of the couch and then trudges over to the kitchen counter and sits there.

Something's not right with the transition, I tell you. Danny's behavior in the D/L scene would have made complete sense if the D/R scene had come first. Of course, doing that would confirm that Danny only called Lindsay because Rikki had left him and he had nobody else, thus him settling for second best. And of course TPTB had to change the scene placement just to make Danny a mere wussbag who has no idea what the fuck he wants. *roll eyes* What a shame, TPTB. You had a damn good chance to bring an interesting and new dynamic into Danny and AGAIN, you chose to sacrifice it for the sake of a pseudo-relationship that is STILL vague to the point that even its own shippers doesn't give a fuck about it anymore.

Geez.



Anyways, I saved the best for last.

Danny/Flack saved the day. Literally. If Lindsay's being a self-centered brat and punishing Danny all because he wouldn't go to her on her terms and conditions while he's grieving for the death of a child he cared about, and if Rikki had to leave him because there were too many painful memories between them ... then Flack is the one who's stayed by Danny's side, through thick and thin and everything else included.

It is only with Flack that Danny becomes his old self. The energetic, confident, real Danny that we knew so long ago before he became nothing more than a prop for a character who's leeched the life out of him. It's amazing to see how natural he is with Flack.

Just look at these screencaps:








Oh yeah, there's this one too:



This screencap looks like it came straight out of a soap opera scene.

Flack: But ... I thought you wanted this baby! *sniff*
Danny: I do, babe, I do but it can't possibly be my baby because ...
Flack: Why, whhhhyy?

*dramatic pause*

Danny: Because ... I have no balls.
Flack: O.O
Stadium audience: *GASP*




Hahahahah! I love Danny/Flack so much.



A big thank you to [info]elsiekate for the fantastic screencaps! :D



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[info]e4blonde
2008-05-09 10:49 am UTC (link)
Dammit!!
I need someone to put it on VEOH.TV like NOW!!!!!

I have to see this peice of TV.

Judging by what you've said regarding the D/L phone call I think you are right, he was supposed to call Lindsey after Rikki telling him that she is moving away but it was switched possibly because TPTB were worried that D/L shippers would hate him... I have to say though not only is that a completely normal human reaction but I think that would have been a completely normal Danny reaction... it's a shame baecause now it doesn't clear up anything, he doesn't tell her he loves her or wants to be with her he just talks and says his sorry for shutting her out?.. So where do they stand now? BLAH!

ANY-way, who cares, we got a Flack and Danny scene even more canon that the see each other outside of work, and they don't need alcie-hol to have fun *cough cough*... unlike some people we shouldn't mention. Someone mentioned that Flack mentions Lindsey, like you need to piss her off more often or something that effect...

Green is definitely not your colour Flack but I love the bitchy!

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-09 10:56 am UTC (link)
Dude, you can see the Danny/Flack basketball scene online here. :>

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Judging by what you've said regarding the D/L phone call I think you are right, he was supposed to call Lindsey after Rikki telling him that she is moving away but it was switched possibly because TPTB were worried that D/L shippers would hate him.


Yep, that's exactly what I suspect too. Just reading the jeers at the TVGuide website when Danny and Rikki were shown to have had sex makes me wonder just how much hate mail they sent CBS. I can only imagine how many of them were flaming and insulting Danny/Carmine. Yeesh.

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it's a shame baecause now it doesn't clear up anything, he doesn't tell her he loves her or wants to be with her he just talks and says his sorry for shutting her out?.. So where do they stand now? BLAH!


My sentiments exactly. If the scenes had been the other way around, it would have made total sense why he was behaving the way he was. Now, he's just this wimpbag and we STILL have no idea what's really going on. *headdesk*

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Someone mentioned that Flack mentions Lindsey, like you need to piss her off more often or something that effect...


He said, word for word, "You should piss off Lindsay more often."

But the kicker?

Danny LAUGHED and SMILED. Hahahahah!

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[info]e4blonde
2008-05-09 11:48 am UTC (link)
He said, word for word, "You should piss off Lindsay more often."

But the kicker?

Danny LAUGHED and SMILED. Hahahahah!


Oh YAY!!
You gotta love Flack, sometimes I do get the feeling he is meant to represent us the audience.
*Does a happy dance*

I hate they they've made Danny lose his balls, it's like they want him to grow up because they realise that aftre 4 seasons he should have matured but they want to keep this tweeny romance between him and lindsey alive...? Why? I mean fair enough if they thought it offered something to the show and two the audience but all I can see is to emotioanlly immature adults indulging in naricism and that goes for Danny too, I'm sorry but sometime I do hate Danny's character, I forgive him as he many other good points that I love him for (unlike Lindsey) but they love character assassination.

I just pray they never get their hands on Flack!!

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-09 11:58 am UTC (link)
To me, Danny actually devolved since season one. If becoming a shadow of yourself with all the life sucked out of you is 'growing up', I don't ever wanna grow up!

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... but they want to keep this tweeny romance between him and lindsey alive...? Why?


I'm gonna be blunt. I really believe the only reason, the only reason why D/L is being dragged on for so long is because of Anna Belknap's limited acting and the need for Carmine Giovinazzo as a constant prop since TPTB decided for Lindsay to connect with Danny. If she could actually act, there wouldn't be a need for a prop to begin with.

So I'm afraid to say that as long as Lindsay's on the show, Danny's going to be stuck being her prop because the choices of storylines for her is limited too thanks to limited acting skills. Bah.

I hope to God TPTB doesn't fuck up Flack's character either. They do that, they'll destroy one of the best things about the show.

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[info]detdonflackjr
2008-05-09 12:06 pm UTC (link)
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It is very possible TPTB chose to switch the scenes' places.

I totally agree with this. I think they switched those scenes on purpose just to please the idiotic DL fans. It's not just Danny who lost his balls. It seems TPTB have too.


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Danny/Flack saved the day.

Amen to that. Danny is only his old self when he's with Flack. Thank God TPTB haven't ruined their friendship. Also, he seemed to be his old self with Rikki too. She was good for him but I totally understand why she left.

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[info]nicheledres
2008-05-10 06:24 am UTC (link)
Danny is only his old self when he's with Flack. Thank God TPTB haven't ruined their friendship.

Amen to that! Much as I love both Carmine and Eddie, the show would definitely lose a viewer in me if they did. A girl can only take so much!

Dunno if you watch the show, but that's what Without a Trace's writers did to Danny and Martin (perhaps because they were becoming too close), and it seriously ruined the show for me. I couldn't watch the show for like a year because the writers fucked it up so bad. And, though it's better now, it still isn't the same show it was in seasons 1-4 (well, part of season 4 anyway).

*pouts* So help me, I'll stage a protest or something if the writers fuck with the Flack/Danny relationship! They've already fucked with Danny enough!

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 04:49 pm UTC (link)
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Danny is only his old self when he's with Flack. Thank God TPTB haven't ruined their friendship.


Fo srs. If the Ruben-Rikki situation couldn't do it, nothing will.

What was it Eddie said again? That if you left him alone in a room with Carmine, whatever they came up with may not make sense but they'll have fun doing it? >:D I love that guy.

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Also, he seemed to be his old self with Rikki too. She was good for him but I totally understand why she left.


You're right, he was his old self with Rikki. The only time his character goes out-of-whack and illogical is when it concerns Lindsay. I dunno whether to laugh or send my condolences to Mr. Giovinazzo.

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[info]surfingangel
2008-05-09 12:48 pm UTC (link)
Your and Faylinn's theory on the scene switching makes PERFECT sense!!! I don't know why that didn't occur to me, but it definately adds up. Shame that they felt they had to switch it, and even more so for thinking we wouldn't notice the changes in Carmine's performance.

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 04:50 pm UTC (link)
Heheheh, yeah, we intelligent viewers are scary creatures. ;P

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[info]heavenly_rain
2008-05-09 01:53 pm UTC (link)
Yay! Screencaps!
I was hoping you'd have screencaps ;)

Danny and Flack look so natural together none of them have to strain themselves.

plus they're so cute together... heeee XD

And the last one... definitely a soap opera shot... oh the turbulent lives of the NYPD :P

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Heheh, I'm grateful to [info]elsiekate for allowing me to use her screencaps. I was too busy at the time of writing the above post to make my own but I think I'll do so soon.

Makes tons of screencaps from the Danny/Flack scenes! :D

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[info]bambiblake007
2008-05-09 04:34 pm UTC (link)
"He said, word for word, "You should piss off Lindsay more often."
But the kicker? Danny LAUGHED"

THAT MADE MY DAY :) SERIOUSLY!!!
God love Flack.

the whole scene b/t danny & rikki was great. i love the chemistry b/t carmine & jacqueline pinol (i don't think i've said it enough, lol) btw, where can i get screencaps of her from that scene cos i just thought she was so beautiful in it?

and his face did fall during that scene with rikki. i think he really cares about her & i wish they'd had better timing so they could be together instead of him & lindsay, she's too self-centered to be with such a wonderful guy like danny, imo.

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Who doesn't love Flack? ;>

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btw, where can i get screencaps of her from that scene cos i just thought she was so beautiful in it?


I'll try and make screencaps of that scene soon. :>

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i wish they'd had better timing so they could be together instead of him & lindsay, she's too self-centered to be with such a wonderful guy like danny, imo.


You and me and loads of other people, sistah!

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[info]aflatoxins
2008-05-09 04:38 pm UTC (link)
Ow,
the Danny/Lindsay thing was a little painful to watch. To the point where I hoped that she was the one who got into the cab at the end of the show.

*dramatic pause*

Danny: Because ... I have no balls.
Flack: O.O
Stadium audience: *GASP*


i can totally picture that. made me LOL.

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 04:54 pm UTC (link)
Your icon is rather mesmerizing.

Yeah, you're not the only one who wanted Lindsay to be the Cabbie Killer's next victim. *lol*

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[info]matalinolukaret
2008-05-09 07:34 pm UTC (link)
I feel sorry for Danny's balls. They're always gone. :(

It's sad when a guest character that was only in four episodes out does a "regular" character that's been in three seasons. :P

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 04:55 pm UTC (link)
Unless it's confirmed next week that Danny and Lindsay had never been in a relationship and Danny decides to wake up and see Lindsay for who she really is, I think Danny's balls are truly gone for good.

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It's sad when a guest character that was only in four episodes out does a "regular" character that's been in three seasons. :P


Amen.

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[info]laminy
2008-05-09 07:40 pm UTC (link)
I don't even think that I could freakin' believe it when Danny called Lindsey. But all the Danny/Flack, Flack in that shirt, their bet. So awesome.

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 04:56 pm UTC (link)
Truly, the Danny/Flack PWNed everything.

And made the D/L scene even more senseless and hilariously illogical.

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[info]romalo
2008-05-09 08:58 pm UTC (link)
Gosh, good thing you told me about the clip on youtube cause I didn't know there was more Danny/Flack-ness before what they had on tv.com! Whew!

And this? Oh dude you spoil me, lol. I agree with you and everyone else who responded to this about everything, especially how Danny can only act like himself around Flack. Lindsay (and by default, TPTB) is killing Danny!!

That reminds me, have you seen the japanese interview with Eddie Cahill? He talks about smoking with Carmine and how they're at the point in their relationship where they've learned to listen to each other...so suggestive, lol. He's so adorable!

I would've liked to have Rikki stick around and be Danny's love interest rather than Lindsay cause Jacqueline Pinol and Carmine have more chemistry.

On a final note: how Eddie Cahill can look so sexy in such a plain shirt that I'd probably think is ugly on anyone else, is beyond me. That man is a god. Lol. :D

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[info]romalo
2008-05-09 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Okay. I kinda take that final note back. I don't think that shirt would look ugly on anyone else cause I just saw a picture of Jensen Ackles in a shirt just like that and I melted, lol. But maybe that color would be...less appealing on anyone else. Heh.

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 05:00 pm UTC (link)
Yep, the D/F scene was longer than shown in the promo. :D

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That reminds me, have you seen the japanese interview with Eddie Cahill? He talks about smoking with Carmine and how they're at the point in their relationship where they've learned to listen to each other...so suggestive, lol. He's so adorable!


YES! :D I grin so much every time Eddie grins after hearing Carmine's name in that interview. The first time, I laughed so hard because it was like Eddie literally went, "ZING!" If somebody stuck an electric plug up his ass right then and there, he'd light up the whole of LA for a month!

And oh yes, he talks about being with Carmine as if Carmine's his boyfriend and he's loving every minute of it. *LOL* Hot. >:D

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But maybe that color would be...less appealing on anyone else. Heh.


Yeah, that kind of blue is hard to pull off. But if a guy like Flack can pull off a pink suit, he can pull off anything.

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[info]romalo
2008-05-12 10:30 pm UTC (link)
LOL! Carmine and Eddie sitting in a tree... hell I'd pay to watch that, hah. I feel ashamed for not knowing this but when did Flack wear a pink suit?!

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[info]astronomylover
2008-05-09 10:41 pm UTC (link)
You're right; Danny/Flack DOES indeed save the day. Those screencaps were just great.

BTW, I would love whoever makes me an icon from the first and second screencaps (the one with the two of them at the game, and the one with the two of them doing a fistpound) absolutely FOREVER. PLEASE?!

Kaythnxbai.

<3 Danny/Flack. <3

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 05:03 pm UTC (link)
Hahaha, you may like to ask [info]elsiekate or check out her LJ. She always makes great icons after each episode. :)

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[info]lady529
2008-05-09 10:57 pm UTC (link)
Oh, poor Danny and his non-existing balls.. X D

The Lady 529

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Yep.

And unfortunately in this case I can't even joke about them having been eaten by Flack or something.

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[info]lady529
2008-05-10 07:59 pm UTC (link)
Maybe not, but I bet Flack'll still give 'im a right good cuddle..

Why don't blokes cuddle more? Blokes need to engage in more mancuddling. I'll get right on that as soon as my plans to take over the world (and whatever else I might find interesting to take over) are over and done with.

The Lady 529

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[info]miss_blue1
2008-05-10 01:20 am UTC (link)
Bleah at the ending of the episode. It started so nice and watchable and it finished so cheesy and stupid. Seriously? The only funny thing was Danny's picture on Lindsay's phone. I wonder how much did they think about finding the right embarrassing picture *lol* I am firmly convinced that Danny was drunk and wanted to fuck *lol*

I had hopes that lapdog Danny is over and history, but the assumption came back and bit me in the ass. Yes, Danny has no balls, what else is new? :lol:

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 05:10 pm UTC (link)
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The only funny thing was Danny's picture on Lindsay's phone. I wonder how much did they think about finding the right embarrassing picture *lol*


I joked with someone that Carmine and Eddie were messing around on set and Eddie was the one who snapped that dorky picture of him. *lol* I can totally see them doing that to each other and the other cast members!

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I am firmly convinced that Danny was drunk and wanted to fuck *lol*


He most likely was. It's canon now that Danny is more than capable of viewing sex as nothing more than a means to an end and does not associate it with love in the least. He's gonna need a whole lot more than that to believe in love. Yeah, he sounded drunk off his ass and talked out of his ass too.

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[info]talulababy
2008-05-10 02:08 pm UTC (link)
OMG! It's official. Lindsey is my most hated TV character of all time! Girl, let me tell you one thing... You don't tell someone you love, really LOVE that how HARD it is to love them. It might be true but you DON'T say it to them! Because it will CRUSH them. And if you have a HEART and LOVE them you just DON'T.

And I hate Lindsey for that confession more than anything she's ever done. I haven't seen the whole episode yet but I wanted to cry when I read this part of the review. Knowing what it would do to someone who as vulnerable as Danny.

And all this nonsense she's pulled is just because Danny shut himself off from her!?! WTF!!!

If she loves him, what she needs to do is giving him time and space and let him come to her on his own term and make sure he knows that she'll always there for him. Basically the way Flack has been doing for years! And never once that he would tell Danny that he's DIFFICULT to befriend with. And we all know that Danny hasn't always been there for Flack but it doesn't matter for Flack at all. Because he doesn't want anything in return. All he wants is for the person he loves and cares for to be happy. AND THAT'S TRUE LOVE!!!!

Sorry for another rant, Kimmy. But this episode kinda made me mad for all the silly D/L things.

And look at Danny's face in those caps. He's happy. And that seems to happen only when he's with Flack. :D

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[info]csiny_sl
2008-05-10 05:17 pm UTC (link)
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You don't tell someone you love, really LOVE that how HARD it is to love them. It might be true but you DON'T say it to them! Because it will CRUSH them. And if you have a HEART and LOVE them you just DON'T.


Bingo. Thing about Lindsay is, in her world, she's number one and she's all that matters. Danny is secondary and just a means to an end like Danny thinks sex is just a means to an end.

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And all this nonsense she's pulled is just because Danny shut himself off from her!?! WTF!!!


Yeah. And you want something even more WTF? DL shippers think she's 'awesome' for treating Danny this way and that she should be even more self-centered. They're assuming Lindsay knows what they know and that Lindsay already knows Danny 'cheated on her' with Rikki.

No, wacko self-inserting shippers, Lindsay =/= you. And as of episode 4x19, Lindsay STILL doesn't know Danny had sex multiple times with Rikki. So yeah. Lindsay's basically doing this childish ignoring thing all because Danny didn't go to her on her terms and conditions. How nice.

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Basically the way Flack has been doing for years! And never once that he would tell Danny that he's DIFFICULT to befriend with. And we all know that Danny hasn't always been there for Flack but it doesn't matter for Flack at all. Because he doesn't want anything in return. All he wants is for the person he loves and cares for to be happy. AND THAT'S TRUE LOVE!!!!


Right on. That's why I LOL my head off every time I see someone say that it's so 'brave' of Lindsay to even say how 'hard' it is for her to 'love' Danny. Dudes, Flack has been loving Danny unconditionally as long as we can remember. And even after everything Danny's done, especially towards him, not once has Flack ever said anything close to, "Do you know how hard it is to love you?" All Flack had to say was, "You're my friend," and show the truth of his feelings through his actions.

And feel free to rant any time. ;> Always interested to know what people think!

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[info]talulababy
2008-05-10 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. And you want something even more WTF? DL shippers think she's 'awesome' for treating Danny this way and that she should be even more self-centered. They're assuming Lindsay knows what they know and that Lindsay already knows Danny 'cheated on her' with Rikki.

Yeah, I know. I was sneaking at CSI Files threads the other day. (I'm a lurker there from time to time ;)) And all D/L shippers seem to think alike and when someone actually wrote "WE NEED MORE SELFISH Lindsay!". I thought I was gonna be sick! :(

Right on. That's why I LOL my head off every time I see someone say that it's so 'brave' of Lindsay to even say how 'hard' it is for her to 'love' Danny.

LOL Don't they understand it's the opposite! It's easy to tell someone THAT if you're a self-centered like Lindsey. The brave thing would be to love them the way they are and be there for them. The brave thing is to love without even thinking if it's hard or easy to love someone at all.

Thanks for letting me rant, Kimmy. :)

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