Kimmychu ([info]csiny_sl) wrote,
@ 2008-05-16 18:15:00
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Ohh, TPTB, you've been caught!
I posted the following in a thread at TalkCSI forums, but I wanted to make a record of it here in this LJ and share it with you guys who don't visit the forum too.

Ladies and gentlemen, I have cold, hard proof that TPTB did switch the Danny/Rikki and Danny/Lindsay scenes!


In the grading thread for episode 4x19, Personal Foul, I made a post stating suspicion that TPTB may have switched the placements of the Danny/Rikki scene and the Danny/Lindsay scene. Something just wasn't right about the flow of the story in the episode, especially due to Danny's bizarre behavior change from one scene to the other. For me (and quite a lot of people, it seems), things only made much more sense if the Danny/Rikki scene had taken place first before the Danny/Lindsay one.

Then, snickerdoodle (a member of TalkCSI forums) posted the following in the grading thread:

I'm supposed to be working right now, but I put on the full episode of "Personal File" in the background to see if I was right about something I remembered. For those of you who believe that the segments when Danny calls Lindsay and when Danny speaks with Rikki have been flip-flopped, I think I have proof that it was flipped. If you look at Danny's left elbow on the counter when he is speaking with L, and he says "The truth is, I miss you", there is a flat grayish card that I believe to be Ruben's memorial card (that Danny picked up off the coffee table) laying there on the counter. Then if you watch the scene where he is walking to the counter after closing the door when Rikki leaves, there is a pad of paper on the counter to his left, but it is farther over and it isn't flat like the card is. Bingo.


Snickerdoodle was absolutely RIGHT!


Upon making the following screencaps, not only am I 110% convinced the true storyline had been for the Danny/Rikki scene to happen first, but also that TPTB had filmed it all with the intention of showing the scenes as such until the very last minute. As to why TPTB decided to change the placement so late, well, I've written to CBS requesting for an explanation. >:) This is too good to pass up!

Here's a screencap of Danny when he's on the phone talking to Lindsay:



Notice there's this black blob in the bottom right corner, behind the CTV logo? Nope, it's not some random technical glitch on the screen, that's a deliberately 'painted' black mass to cover up, oh I dunno, maybe Ruben's memorial pamphlet and Rikki's gift of a jar of sugar? *rolls eyes* It's a very common film editing thing and frankly, that black blob is one rough job! I can't believe TPTB didn't expect anyone to not notice that!




Here's more proof that the black blob is 'painted' on. It changes shape as the scene progresses. In this screencap, Ruben's memorial pamphlet is more visible. I think the black blob was definitely to cover Rikki's sugar gift. (Am I the only laughing hard at Danny's I-wanna-fall-off-my-seat-like-a-drunken-ass expression and posture? Don't even get me started on him sounding like a drunken werewolf who's about to hurl.)




And if anyone says that the pamphlet was probably there on the counter from the start ... nope, it wasn't. In the episode, Danny only takes a look at it in the Danny/Rikki scene, after he's walking from his front door to his coffee table where he pulls out the memorial pamphlet from between two books, as shown in the screencap.




Here he is sitting at the counter, staring at the pamphlet and there's Rikki's gift next to his left arm ... which would have been covered just right by the black blobs you see in the above screencaps. ;)




Snickerdoodle pointed out that there was a large stack of papers to the left of Danny. Yep, it's there and it is certainly too thick to be the flat, one-piece paper seen in the screencaps above. And anyway, if it was just a stack of paper and not Ruben's memorial pamphlet and Rikki's sugar gift ... why would TPTB have gone to the trouble of 'painting' a black mass there just to hide it? Mwahahahaha!

Some more points of relevent interest:

1. In the Danny/Lindsay scene, it was already raining. But in the Danny/Rikki scene, it only starts to rain when Rikki leaves and Danny's walking back into his apartment. You can hear the beginnings of thunder as he does, and if people want to bring up the dramatic effect reason, yeah, it would have been perfect to have the weather fit with Danny's mood after Rikki leaves. ;)

2. When the D/L scene happens, Danny's apartment is lit and he's already sitting at the kitchen counter all mopy and emo. When the D/R scene happens just minutes afterwards, his entire apartment is dark and he walks to the door all sleepy as if he just woke up from a sleep.

3. Again, when the D/L scene happens, Danny's already sitting at the kitchen counter all mopy and emo. When the D/R scene takes place, he's not sitting at the counter and is just fine and dandy and even chuckles until Rikki tells him she's moving away. And in the end of the D/R scene ... he goes to sit at the kitchen counter. If the D/L scene had taken place after the D/R scene, the flow would have been right!



What are you thoughts on this, people?

EDIT: Holy crap! I decided to check out the Cheers & Jeers section of TV Guide after re-reading [info]1perfectanomaly's LJ post about leaving a jeer and then getting trolled for it. Guess what? Some people have linked to the thread I made in TalkCSI! At least two of them! I guess including [info]1perfectanomaly's jeer, that makes four eight jeers now for CSI:NY. You're free to leave one. ;P Hey, who are you guys? Come on over to TalkCSI and post in the thread there!



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[info]lizarazu
2008-05-16 10:22 am UTC (link)
Haven't read yet, but arm!porn! rawrrr!

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[info]1csimfan
2008-05-16 11:02 am UTC (link)
I KNEW IT! WTF?? Were they afraid to show the DR scene before the DL scene so rabid DL fans wouldn't get upset that Lindsay was Danny's SECOND choice? I just KNEW he only called Lindsay after Rikki told him she was leaving. Poor woobie, he should have called Flack. >:)

This gives me hope that DL will be over now unless TPTB chicken out now. I'm fairly certain that DL going back to the way they were in Season 2 is what was referred to that will make DL fans happy.

Edited at 2008-05-16 11:04 am UTC

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[info]dragonflyopera
2008-05-16 01:47 pm UTC (link)
I knew it! It just makes so much more sense that way! It will be interesting to see if you get a response as to why they switched.

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[info]1perfectanomaly
2008-05-16 03:59 pm UTC (link)
You know, the props being out of place could have been explained away as a continuity error. TV shows and movies film scenes out of order and it could have been as simple as they forgot to remove the pamphlet and sugar bowl. Then when they noticed it they tried to cover it up. To me, what really busted them was Carmine Giovinazzo's performance.

When Rikki came to the door he didn't get sad and brooding until Rikki said she was leaving. He was sad and brooding when he called Lindsay. It doesn't make sense for Danny to be sad and brooding when calling Lindsay to apologize, then be fine when he answers the door, then be sad and brooding when Rikki says she's leaving. Not only does it not make sense, I don't believe Carmine would have played it that way. Even when the writing hasn't been consistent, Carmine's performance has. The way the scene aired it looks like Carmine's acting was uneven, but Carmine has proven over the four seasons of the show that his acting is not uneven.

And LOL at the "Cheers and Jeers." You're starting a revolution, Kimmy!

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[info]lessientinuviel
2008-05-16 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Oh, dear. I did NOT notice the black blob at all. o_O I think I was too busy staring at Carmine's biceps. Arm!Porn is hard to resist, ya know. :P But yeah, it was pretty shoddy editing on TPTB's part. Now I'm really curious about why they switched the scenes around...

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[info]matalinolukaret
2008-05-16 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Ohohohohoho~ ♥

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[info]miss_blue1
2008-05-16 04:33 pm UTC (link)
I can't post on Talk. But the only thing I'm wondering about is how stupid TPTB think we are? I mean..for fuck's sake we are watching a show about evidence and all that jazz..we picked up from it. Weird doesn't even begin to describe that scene. Well, I guess you're right. If they would have kept the order of the scenes it would have made DL look really bad and then all the fans would have stopped watching it *cue WTF face*

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[info]faylinn_drake
2008-05-16 07:17 pm UTC (link)
Haha! I just went over to the Cheers and Jeers page.

HUGE JEERS to TPTB and CSI:NY for turning Danny Messer back into the lapdog he was from season three. You wasted a whole season just to force Danny back into the same lousy spot he was in during season three!

Someone even proved you had switched the DannyLindsay and DannyRikki scenes for the sake of dragging on the shipwreck that is DL!

http://talk.csifiles.com/showthread.php?t=56471

Shame on you, TPTB. Shame on you.



Many, many, many jeers to CSI:NY for sacrificing the quality of writing and catering to the shallow fantasies of a small group of viewers who don't care at all for the show itself. Congratulations! You've sunk to a new low.

This post at the TalkCSI forum showed you fully intended to show Danny calling Lindsay after Rikki sees him to tell him she's moving away and say goodbye. What gives?!

Did you think Danny/Lindsay shippers weren't capable of handling a plot of Danny making Lindsay his second choice after Rikki? Were you worried about a fresh new wave of vitriol and fangirl outrage from them, all because of that? You don't have much of an opinon of them then or the rest of the viewers of the show.

Congratulations for also making Danny the ultimate idiot of the show. You destroyed what was once the most interesting character of the cast into a boring, two-dimensional, irrational, predictable one. It's an insult to Danny's character and Mr. Giovinazzo's talents. He deserves much better than to be rendered a mere prop to a character who can't even stand on her own after three seasons. Pathetic!

You've already made Danny a fool. You put Danny and Lindsay into a relationship after what Lindsay told Mac only a few episodes earlier, that she was 'stupid to ever get involved with a co-worker', you're going to make her a fool as well! Permanently!

Many jeers to CSI:NY for turning into a pitiful trainwreck just to push a fake and very painful 'romance'! I am so disappointed in you.



I have watched CSI:New York since season one. My interest is mainly in the cases and individual character development.

From season two onward, the show deteriorated for me. It lost its dark, gritty, UNIQUE atmosphere that set it apart from the other two CSI series. I was sorry to see Aiden leave but I had high hopes for Lindsay who replaced her. By season three, I had given up those hopes. I liked her best when she was the tough, lively country girl. Now she is merely a very weak character who needs to constantly remind us where she comes from and is nothing more than someone who is supposedly in love with Danny.

I was neutral in the beginning to the romance the writers were insistent on writing for them. Now it has become a damaging burden to Danny and Lindsay AND the show itself. It is a terrible thing when the people behind the show feel they must abandon logical, good storytelling to retain a fraction of viewers. The TalkCSI post linked in a few jeers before mine was what motivated me to write mine.

I have always supported CSI: New York even when people told me it was 'crap'. I believed it had great potential, a wonderful team of actors and writers. But now I am not so sure any more. The switch of those scenes was very cowardly. I must agree that the situation would have made so much more sense if the scene of Danny and Rikki showed first but you changed it. At the last moment! Cowardly.

Sorry, CSI: New York, but you are getting a jeer from me this time.



Omigod, I can't believe the scenes in csi:ny 419 were switched!!! Why did they do that?!! Switching it changed the context of the scenes entirely!!! They shouldn't have done that because it makes Danny so strange!!! JEERS TO CSI:NY FOR BEING CHICKEN!!!

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[info]laminy
2008-05-16 07:35 pm UTC (link)
Oh my god, that's freakin' hilarious. The more I thought about it, the more weird it really did seem and it didn't make any sense whatsoever and it was awful. People need to just get over the whole D/L, it's obvious they're not together. Why are TPTB trying to appease them so much?

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[info]bambiblake007
2008-05-17 01:37 am UTC (link)
as i was watchin' the scene, i kept thinkin' "what is wrong with Danny?" this is explains it. it seems soooo outta character with Danny, to me. the scene switch was ridiculous :( the DL relationship needs to be swept under the rug, once & for all, imo.

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[info]talulababy
2008-05-17 04:16 am UTC (link)
I agree with you. It would make much more sense if the scenes were in the original order than the one they edited.

And a black blob, TPTB!?! That's a student's work! And I'm not talking about collage student. I'm talking high school student here. I can do a better job to hide what you thought you needed to hind on my laptop. Duh!

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[info]jetpack_angel
2008-05-21 08:21 pm UTC (link)
You're absolutely right.

I copied a couple of those screenshots to my computer and played around with my photo-editing software, bringing up the ambient lighting and such, and it IS a horrendous black blob and not a shadow! Even if I bring up all the light so that the image quality itself massively sucks, that one little corner still lookes like a big smear of mud streaked on the camera lens.

I've never really liked Lindsay, and I like her even less for using Danny like she does. I mean, no offense to Anna Belknap, but you can tell she's acting, and her character has all the emotional depth of a wet paper sack. How in the hell do the writers think she fits with Danny, since 'emotional' is about the only level he functions on!

Danny used to be so bring and vibrant before being saddled with Lindsay's emotional baggage.

And who called her Montana last time? Sheldon? Since WHEN has Sheldon ever called her Montana?!

*rants and raves*

Props for exposing this horrendous crime, Kimmy.

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